Inside “trustworthy”: Blue Capricorn and LOREN KOLE on Collaboration, Heartbreak, and Therapeutic [Interview]

On “trustworthy,” experimental indie artist and producer Blue Capricorn and Dallas-based Cuban-American artist and producer LOREN KOLE discover the place between holding on and letting go, between the love we needed and the truth we’re lastly studying to simply accept. Ethereal synths, delicate keys, atmospheric guitars, and restrained percussion give the observe a dreamlike intimacy, making a sonic world the place vulnerability feels much less like a confession and extra like an act of launch.

The collaboration is the newest glimpse into Blue Capricorn’s forthcoming second EP, if you come again, transcend me, arriving October 15, 2026. Written and developed over the course of a 12 months and a half, “trustworthy” underwent a exceptional evolution from its earliest, largely improvisational beginnings into one thing way more emotionally revealing. What began with spontaneous chords, a cappella vocals, and late-night studio periods regularly turned a deeply private meditation on failed love, attachment, and the difficult technique of transferring ahead. For Blue Capricorn, the passage of time in the end turned a part of the songwriting itself, permitting the observe to develop alongside the lives and experiences of the artists creating it.

On the coronary heart of the track is a gathering of two distinct however naturally complementary creative worlds. Blue Capricorn’s cinematic, genre-fluid strategy finds a placing counterpart in LOREN KOLE’s darkish, dreamy sensibility, with the 2 artists constructing “trustworthy” from the bottom up whereas sharing conversations about relationships, creativity, identification, and the issues that stay troublesome to say out loud. The result’s a track that does not try to tie heartbreak right into a neat conclusion. As a substitute, it inhabits the uncertainty that follows, the grief of what might have been, the attachment that refuses to vanish in a single day, and the delicate hope that may emerge from what has been misplaced.

With “trustworthy” serving because the emotional coronary heart of if you come again, transcend me, Blue Capricorn’s forthcoming seven-track venture expands on themes of longing, nostalgia, self-discovery, and therapeutic. On this dialog, Blue Capricorn and LOREN KOLE open up concerning the making of “trustworthy,” the intimacy of making collectively, the surprising locations the track took them, and the private experiences that in the end formed its emotional core.

“trustworthy” advanced considerably over the 12 months and a half you labored on it. What did the earliest model of the track sound and really feel like, and what have been a few of the largest modifications it went via earlier than arriving on the model we hear at present?

When LOREN and I first started working collectively, we might meet inside a rehearsal house and first attempt to lay the muse of the track down first. I bear in mind taking my keyboard and simply taking part in random chords whereas she did some acapella. It was purely improvisational at first, and primarily a matter of looking for one thing that caught. After that first session, we might then shift to LOREN’s studio after which attempt to report the foundation notes, kicks, snares, and so forth. I feel actually attending to know one another as folks fairly than musicians was what additionally helped us bond musically. What we got here up with then vs what you hear now could be completely completely different. The sooner model was way more stripped down and fewer established as to what sort of track it needed to be. The present model is the other. The largest change it went via was merely time. The rationale it took a 12 months and a half to make was just because life had occurred, which I consider was what helped form this track. I feel sitting on it was the most effective determination we made.

You describe “trustworthy” as a track about vulnerability and accepting failed love. Was there a specific second throughout the writing or recording course of if you realized that was in the end what the track was about?

I noticed that ‘trustworthy’ was a track about vulnerability and failed love lengthy after we had initially began writing it. LOREN and I actually by no means had mentioned what the track was really about whereas recording it, however as we labored on it and attended periods collectively, I used to be in a position to begin selecting up on the themes of the track primarily based on the lyrics that LOREN had written and I then obtained to a degree the place I believed “oh… is that this track about what I feel it is about?”. Attending to know LOREN too additionally helped me understand that ‘trustworthy’ might not have been coming from a spot of fantasy, however actual life.

You had needed to work with LOREN KOLE for a number of years earlier than “trustworthy” got here collectively. What was it about her music and inventive perspective that made you are feeling she could be the proper particular person for this explicit track?

LOREN KOLE is a unprecedented artist. After I first listened to her music, it felt like I used to be listening to somebody who was deeply influenced by the extra cinematic qualities of music with a robust resemblance to Banks and Lykke Li, who I really like. I am thinking about artists that share similarities with me; not simply genre-wise, however I additionally take into consideration how we are able to efficiently coexist in a single shared musical panorama, and from the get-go, I felt snug feeling that LOREN might match into my universe. I resonate with music that’s atmospheric, mental, and darkish, and LOREN KOLE checked all these packing containers. With LOREN, it simply clicked, and it did not take a lot for me to say, “yep, she needs to be on my subsequent report”. It was her voice, her imaginative and prescient, and her meticulous consideration to element that I admired. I bear in mind assembly her for the primary time at an awards present in Dallas and I bear in mind saying, “I thought of you for this track I wish to work on!”, as a result of earlier than LOREN got here into the image, I had one other artist in thoughts to faucet, however then once I met LOREN all of it appeared to simply fall into place. I feel that first impression instructed me all the things I wanted to know.

There’s a wonderful pressure in “trustworthy” between intimacy and distance. How did you strategy creating that feeling sonically via the synths, keys, guitars, and restrained percussion?

We all the time knew we needed this track to be a direct illustration of each our worlds meshed collectively. When it got here to the instrumentation, we naturally regarded for a softer, extra “delicate” strategy, if you’ll. My music will be intimate, nevertheless it’s additionally vastly completely different from LOREN’s music, so I needed to bridge that hole the place it wasn’t too Blue Capricorn coded as a result of I actually needed to highlight LOREN as a lot as doable with this track and let her showcase herself not simply together with her voice, however together with her taking part in of the keys, synths, drums, and so forth. Given it is a track involving themes of restraint and attachment, it made sense to translate that into our instrumentation as nicely. With our guitar participant, Jesse Kats; he had are available in and virtually nailed each lick he had delivered. There have been so many licks I want we might’ve saved, however it might’ve been convoluted had we saved all of them. The development of the instrumentation was by far probably the most attention-grabbing, as a result of it turned out to be simply that good mix of Blue Capricorn and LOREN KOLE’s instrumentals, that are rooted in synths and electronics.

You’ve mentioned that you simply and LOREN shared related concepts about what music ought to make folks really feel and talk. How did these shared sensibilities form the collaboration, and have been there locations the place your particular person approaches pushed the track someplace surprising?

Again after we would report at LOREN’s studio, I bear in mind that there have been moments the place we might simply pause and take a second to reside within the second. We’d speak about previous relationships, our present jobs, what we did or did not like about them, our personal households, and what we hope for ourselves sooner or later so far as music goes. On the time after we have been barely beginning to meet and write, I used to be really within the technique of planning my wedding ceremony with my now-wife AND I used to be barely starting to go to remedy periods for the primary time in my life. With ‘trustworthy’, I am channeling a model of myself that’s going to remedy and being completely clear with my ideas, needs, and assurance, which felt cathartic to sing in Spanish as a result of for so long as I can bear in mind, I did not learn to talk my emotions rising up. Most of my pals which can be Hispanic can relate, however psychological remedy is taken into account taboo and frowned upon in our tradition, particularly with the older generations. Rising up, I solely spoke Spanish with my mother and father, which I nonetheless do, however there was a slight feeling of this weight being lifted off my shoulders once I wrote my lyrics in Spanish as a result of it felt like I had “damaged the cycle” by going to remedy. I had confronted my ideas, my inner struggles, and one thing I had buried inside me for a very long time that concerned failed love. It did result in an surprising place with the music, nevertheless it wasn’t an disagreeable feeling in anyway. In actual fact, it was thrilling as a result of I mentally went to a spot I had by no means been to with music. It sounds foolish, however I do not assume ‘trustworthy’ would’ve felt the identical had I written my verses in English.

For LOREN, what was it like stepping right into a track that had already existed in Blue Capricorn’s world for a while? Did you are feeling such as you have been discovering the track alongside him, or have been you bringing a wholly new perspective to one thing that was already taking form?

The track was really created from scratch collectively via a sequence of writing periods. By way of the ultimate session at my studio house, I finalized manufacturing on the observe and Rodrigo introduced his verse in Spanish, bridging the worlds of our sounds and Latinx backgrounds. The creation of this venture was extremely cathartic, with many talks about previous relationships and the load they might carry.

The track doesn’t deal with heartbreak as a clear ending it lingers within the uncertainty, attachment, and vulnerability that come afterward. Why was it essential to you to discover that much less definitive emotional house?

The track encapsulates the liminal house between wanting to carry onto a relationship, however recognizing that it’s extra dangerous to remain. It explores grief of what might’ve been and the hope that continues to be throughout the rubble of what has in the end been misplaced. Many expertise this sense of wishing issues may very well be completely different, however coming to the sobering actuality that they’ve to maneuver ahead with out them. The rationale that it was sos essential to discover this house is as a result of many expertise this precise emotion and we needed to make these really feel much less alone and extra seen.

Your music typically sits on the intersection of ambient textures, experimental manufacturing, indie rock, and digital music. How do you resolve when a track wants extra sonic house and when it wants one thing extra speedy or emotionally direct?

I completely adore it when an album takes you on a journey, as should you’re watching a movie. After I write, I all the time write with the intention of writing a bigger physique of labor because it helps me not be so repetitive with my selections in music. I consider in all the time attempting various things with music, whether or not that’s flirting with one other style or attempting a brand new instrument as a result of to me, you uncover extra about your self as an artist if you dip your ft into an unfamiliar territory. It is the explanation why I nonetheless cannot fairly reply the query of “what style of music do you make”?, as a result of I really feel like all my music sounds completely different. With that being mentioned, I do not actually strategy my music with the intention of getting all the things in line to start with. I improvise once I write, so each time I really feel just like the track is lacking one thing, then that is when I’ll strive to determine what else it might use to make it extra interesting, although it takes for me to sit down on a track for some time to determine that out. Now, though I do affiliate myself with a extra ethereal or genre-fluid sound, it does not imply I am not thinking about exploring different sounds. With my new EP popping out in October, I knew that there needed to be one thing between the songs that separated them sonically and emotionally, versus one constant idea/feeling. With my final EP, ¡AYÚDAME!, I felt like I used to be nonetheless determining what Blue Capricorn’s sound was. With this new venture, I needed to revert to music that jogged my memory of my older music, however with the intention of capitalizing. I’ve all the time liked to open a venture with one thing gradual, proceed it with one thing a bit more difficult or accessible, after which conclude with one other dreamy, slower tune. If I am writing a stand-alone single, then the sky is the restrict. But when I am working with a physique of labor in thoughts, then that is once I restrict myself as to how I wish to current the track. Attempt new issues! Incorporate new devices! I shock myself once I play as a result of I will go from writing a track with a trip-hop beat to then writing one thing with simply my voice and an organ.

“trustworthy” is the third observe from if you come again, transcend me. How does this track match into the bigger emotional or narrative arc of the seven-track EP, and what does it reveal concerning the venture that the sooner singles may not?

I might say that ‘trustworthy’ is the center of the EP. I additionally really feel that method as a result of that track might be probably the most accessible track on the report and since it is a direct illustration of what my emotional state was on the time, naked bones and all. The earlier songs akin to “HEAR ME OUT” and “MISERICORDIA “did subtly reveal bits and items, however not on the stage that ‘trustworthy’ did. Though they do contact on related themes which can be associated to ‘trustworthy’, this track did principally reveal what I had hoped to speak with the EP in its entirety, which was my very own private journey to therapeutic.

The EP’s title, if you come again, transcend me, instantly suggests longing, transformation, and a few difficult relationship with reminiscence. What does that title imply to you now that the venture is nearing its launch?

The title of the EP suggests a message from myself… to myself. I imagined a model of myself that’s youthful and well-nurtured saying, “if you come again, transcend me”, to the model of myself from a 12 months in the past. All through my 20s, I had pals that actually struggled with psychological well being. There have been some that I would not hear from for months, years even as a result of ache and hardship they’d endure. This one time, I bear in mind telling certainly one of my pals, “hey mija, I perceive you are going via a tough time proper now. Really feel what you are feeling. Disappear for a bit if you would like, however come again”. By coming again, I hoped I would see a greater model of themselves. One which had overcome obstacles, sought assist, and one which had discovered happiness. That is what I needed for myself. As I discussed earlier than, whereas I used to be penning this report, I used to be seeing a therapist for my very own points. As I completed the report, I felt like a special particular person as a result of I used to be abruptly not as delicate anymore. Granted, I nonetheless stall now and again as a result of therapeutic is a course of, however I am happy with how far I’ve come. Possibly I would transcend the youthful model of myself that I imagined now.

You’ve collaborated with artists together with Jacks Haupt, Adieu Anais, Black Taffy, and now LOREN KOLE. What do you uncover about your individual artistry if you step outdoors of working alone and invite one other artist into your artistic world?

I’m extremely privileged to have been in a position to work with artists that I like. I really feel like everybody that I’ve labored with has taught me one thing completely different about myself as a musician, and it is that I am extra prepared than I understand so long as it is with the proper folks. Earlier than inviting one other artist into my artistic world, it is essential to me that they merely perceive the who, what, when, the place, and why’s of Blue Capricorn. What’s one thing that we share in frequent? Who’re we outdoors of music? How can we profit one another? After I first began Blue Capricorn, I used to be very lifeless set on by no means collaborating with some other artist as a result of I used to be simply far too protecting of my work. Quick ahead to now, I’ve discovered that collaborating with different artists has really helped me be a greater author. In an ideal world, I might love to sit down in a studio with Nosaj Factor, James Blake, and Clams On line casino (wink, wink). They have been the one exceptions to start with, however I am glad I stepped out of that consolation zone as a result of it has solely led to nice friendships as nicely.

After spending a lot time with “trustworthy,” what do you hope listeners sit with when the track ends? Is there one thing about vulnerability, failed love, or letting go that you simply hope they acknowledge in their very own lives?

Completely! I really feel like ‘trustworthy’ is a track that might positively be up for interpretation. On the finish of the day, I would really like for listeners to really feel like they’ve listened to one thing profound and for it to make them really feel linked to the track a method or one other.

What’s subsequent for you two?

Blue Capricorn – I am on the point of launch my new EP, if you come again, transcend me, which shall be out all over the place on October 15. After it drops, I will be taking part in a number of reveals in Dallas in assist of the brand new report the place I shall be performing a few of the new songs from the EP. Tremendous stoked for that. We’ll see the place this venture takes me. Taking it daily!

LOREN KOLE – I’ve been actually having fun with collaboration currently. Producing and writing with different artists has helped me to come back again to myself and really feel impressed after going via a artistic dry spell. Concurrently, I’ve been engaged on for a 12 months referred to as “The Crash Out Diaries” that chronicles my journey again to myself via a troublesome time in my life. I hope to launch the venture originally of subsequent 12 months.

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