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DAVE DAVIES, HOST:
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(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MACARTHUR PARK”)
RICHARD HARRIS: (Singing) MacArthur’s Park is melting at midnight. All of the candy, inexperienced icing flowing down. Somebody left the cake out within the rain. I do not suppose that I can take it ‘trigger it took so lengthy to bake it. And I will by no means have that recipe once more.
DAVIES: That is “MacArthur Park” with among the most baffling track lyrics and music. Even so, it grew to become an enormous hit for Richard Harris in 1968. It was written by Jimmy Webb, who wrote fairly just a few hit songs within the ’60s and ’70s. They embody “By The Time I Get To Phoenix,” “Wichita Lineman” and “Galveston” by Glen Campbell. Webb’s different songs embody “Did not We,” recorded by Barbra Streisand, “Up, Up And Away” and “The Worst That Might Occur” by The fifth Dimension, and “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” by Linda Ronstadt.
At one level, he had 5 prime 10 songs in lower than two years. Webb turned 80 years previous in August, and there is a new album of his unreleased songs titled “Yours For The Taking.” This weekend, Webb seems on the Grand Ole Opry, and later this month, he’ll be featured in a PBS “Nice Performances” particular. Webb has a lifetime achievement award from the Songwriters Corridor of Fame. He obtained his begin within the enterprise as a employees songwriter for Motown.
We’ll take heed to Terry’s 2004 interview with Jimmy Webb. She started by asking him about his track, “By the Time I Get to Phoenix.” The lengthy and diverse record of singers who’ve recorded it in addition to Glen Campbell embody Isaac Hayes, Marty Robbins, Gary Puckett & the Union Hole, Nick Cave, Dean Martin, William Bell, James Brown, Gladys Knight & the Pips, the 4 Tops, Solomon Burke, Ray Worth, Sarah Vaughan, Harry Belafonte and Peggy Lee.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR CONTENT)
TERRY GROSS: Let’s discuss certainly one of your best-known songs, and that’s, “By The Time I Get To Phoenix.” I used to be studying that is the third most carried out track within the final 50 years, in response to BMI, who ought to know. Wow. How did you write the track?
JIMMY WEBB: Effectively, it is extra of a track about one thing I want I had accomplished than one thing I actually did, in that I didn’t get in my automotive and drive again to Oklahoma to punish this younger lady for not reciprocating my love and affection. The truth is, a man approached me one evening after a live performance, and he had a map, and he had all of the occasions and he had a stopwatch, and he confirmed me the way it was unattainable for me to drive from LA to Phoenix after which how far it was to Albuquerque. After which, briefly, he informed me, this track is unattainable. And so it’s.
It is a form of fantasy about one thing I want I might have accomplished, and it kind of takes place in a twilight zone of actuality. Might I – I hasten so as to add that I feel that the enchantment of the track lies in its kind of succinct story, its starting, center and finish. And the truth that it kind of has an O. Henry-esque twist on the finish, which consists merely of the man saying, she did not suppose that I – she did not actually suppose that I might go, however he did. And, actually, I did not (laughter). I did not go. I stayed for extra punishment.
GROSS: Does the girl or woman – I do not know the way previous you have been – that you simply wrote this for know that it was about her?
WEBB: Oh, sure, she does. And she or he’s nonetheless – fortunately, she’s very a lot alive and he or she’s really married into the Ronstadt clan. She’s – her identify is Susan Ronstadt now. And she or he and I are very, very shut buddies. And there have been many, many songs that have been impressed by her and happened on account of our, effectively, very younger relationship. Highschool. She was a highschool sweetheart.
GROSS: Effectively, I feel this might be a superb time to listen to the Glen Campbell model of “By The Time I Get To Phoenix,” written by my visitor Jimmy Webb.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “BY THE TIME I GET TO PHOENIX”)
GLEN CAMPBELL: (Singing) By the point I get to Phoenix, she’ll be rising. She’ll discover the observe I left hanging on her door. She’ll snigger when she reads the half that claims I am leaving ‘trigger I’ve left that woman so many occasions earlier than. By the point I make Albuquerque, she’ll be working. She’ll in all probability cease at lunch and provides me a name. She’ll simply hear that cellphone carry on ringing off the wall. That is all. By the point I make Oklahoma, she’ll be sleeping. She’ll flip softly…
GROSS: “By The Time I Received To Phoenix” began a brief sequence of place songs, you recognize, “Galveston,” “Wichita Lineman.” Did you begin to suppose that should you put a spot identify within the track, that it might hit?
WEBB: No, it wasn’t a lot my doing because it was deliberate manipulation on the a part of A&R and the labels, and their – of their makes an attempt to engineer what we known as, in these days, a follow-up report. However I keep in mind significantly the day that they known as me about Wichita and stated, Glen’s in search of a follow-up for “By The Time I Get To Phoenix.” Nevertheless it’s obtained to be a spot. And I assumed, effectively, OK. I did not significantly like that concept. I am not somebody who thinks that manner or creates that manner.
However I am a younger songwriter, and I feel I’ve obtained the chops to do it. And I sit down, and I spend possibly an hour and 45 minutes or two hours engaged on a track. I give you an idea based mostly on some reminiscences I’ve of some blue-collar guys engaged on phone strains round liberal Kansas and the panhandle of Oklahoma on the market in that nice form of land of no horizon. And I known as them up, and I stated, I’ve obtained a track over right here. I stated, however I do not actually suppose it is completed. And so they stated, effectively, ship it over anyway (laughter). And I despatched it over. And so they known as me again in a state of exaltation over what I had written. And so they put it out, and it grew to become this big hit.
And this track has had – folks nonetheless inform me, and it bothers me somewhat bit as a result of once I was writing my e-book on songwriting, “Tunesmith,” I really, for the primary time, analyzed a few of my songs, and I used to be actually shocked and appalled at what I discovered. And one of many issues that I discovered was that in “Wichita Lineman,” there is a line that goes like this – and I would like you greater than need you and I need you forever, and the Wichita lineman continues to be on the road. And the very first thing I considered once I learn it’s false rhyme.
GROSS: Oh.
WEBB: That is a false rhyme. It is the largest…
GROSS: Line and time.
WEBB: That is probably the most greatest, awfullest, dumbest, most blatant false rhyme in historical past. And evening after evening, at efficiency after efficiency, individual after individual comes as much as me till now. I am speaking a few hundred thousand folks have walked as much as me and stated, you recognize, the best line you ever wrote, I would like you greater than need you and I need you forever, you recognize? And so I do not know how one can clarify that. I would not have – had I recognized what I used to be doing, I would not have written that line. I might have discovered a solution to make it rhyme. It was solely years later that I grew to become conscious of what a songwriter was even speculated to do. I used to be actually only a child who was form of writing from the hip and the center.
GROSS: Why do not we hear Freedy Johnston’s model of that? You aware of the model?
WEBB: I’ve heard it, and I prefer it.
GROSS: Good. Me too. Let’s hear it.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “WICHITA LINEMAN (LIVE)”)
FREEDY JOHNSTON: (Singing) I’m a lineman for the county, and I journey the principle street, looking out within the solar for an additional overload. I hear you singing within the wires. I hear you thru the whine. And the Wichita lineman continues to be on the road. I do know I would like a brief trip, but it surely do not appear to be rain. And if it snows that stretch down south won’t ever take the pressure. And I would like you greater than need you, and I need you forever.
DAVIES: That is Freedy Johnston. We’ll hear extra of Terry’s interview with Jimmy Webb after a break. That is FRESH AIR.
That is FRESH AIR. Let’s get again to Terry’s 2004 interview with Corridor of Fame songwriter Jimmy Webb. His hit songs embody “By The Time I Get To Phoenix,” “Wichita Lineman” and “MacArthur Park.” He has a brand new album of unreleased songs.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR CONTENT)
GROSS: Now, you grew up in Oklahoma. Your father was a Baptist minister. How did the church determine into your each day life and into your musical life as a baby?
WEBB: It was a very all-encompassing affect in that if you’re the son of a Southern Baptist minister, you might be knowledgeable at a really early age that you’re half and parcel of his ministry and that your conduct displays on his picture in the neighborhood. And subsequently, your each motion, your each phrase, every little thing that you simply do is monitored. And that features the music that you simply play, the music that you simply take heed to. And my mom’s dream from the very starting, when she began me on piano at 6 years of age, was that I might be church pianist. And I used to be.
By the point I used to be 12 years previous, I used to be taking part in. I used to be the church pianist. And I had additionally moved over to organ and was a big a part of the musical program within the church. And we did specials. We sang three-part. My father performed guitar. My mom performed accordion. I can simply keep in mind the highest of my mom’s head sticking over this large Hohner accordion. She was quick, and the accordion was taller than she was.
GROSS: Boy, that sounds very hip, guitar, accordion and piano.
WEBB: Oh, it was fairly cool. And we discovered some very, very helpful issues. I imply, to improvise three-part concord on the fly, I imply, that is a reasonably cool factor to be taught if you’re a child. And it additionally obtained us up in entrance of individuals and obtained us – and I say us as a result of I had siblings. I had a brother and three sisters. And all of us sang.
GROSS: Now, your loved ones moved to southern California, to San Bernardino in 1964. Did your father get a church there?
WEBB: Sure, he was pastoring in Colton. And I completed my highschool in Colton. I graduated as a senior from Colton Excessive Faculty. It was the 12 months that JFK was assassinated. And it was additionally the 12 months that my mom died. And so it was actually fairly an eye-opener for me.
And my – it is attention-grabbing to notice that my mom, after expending these big reserves of vitality, kind of lashing me right into a considerably formidable younger musician, that she died earlier than I ever did something. She by no means heard me – she by no means heard certainly one of my songs on the radio. She by no means noticed me get one award. She by no means noticed one piece of sheet music on the piano with my identify on it. I’ve regrets about that as a result of had she lived just a bit bit longer, I feel she would’ve been actually happy with me, you recognize?
GROSS: Positive, certain.
WEBB: So hastily, I used to be uncovered to the Seaside Boys, which was like, you recognize, it was like a fish to water. I imply, I liked southern California. I liked the life-style. I liked the Seaside Boys. I liked the Righteous Brothers. And I simply needed to get into it. I needed to get into the report enterprise, cease, you recognize…
GROSS: Did your father love you doing that?
WEBB: No, he did not, and since one of many precepts of the Baptist Church, Terry, is that we don’t consider in dancing. The Southern Baptist Church doesn’t consider in dancing. The truth is, Glen Campbell informed me a narrative as soon as. He stated, Jimmy, he says, you recognize why Baptists do not make love standing up, do not you? And I stated, no, how come? He says as a result of he is afraid – they’re afraid folks will suppose they’re dancing.
(LAUGHTER)
WEBB: That is form of a typical Glen Campbell story. I feel it is a fairly good one. However, you recognize, I needed to kind of sneak out of the home to play dances, which I did as a result of, hey, you can choose up 15 or 20 bucks. And I had three or 4 guys I performed with. When the Beatles got here alongside, I used to be taking part in Dave Brubeck.
Dave Brubeck had a brother named Howard. And Howard laboriously transcribed each observe that Dave Brubeck ever performed, together with all of Paul Desmond’s solos and every little thing else. It was all in ink, pen and ink. And we, with equal fervor, digested all of those transcriptions and discovered to play Dave Brubeck. And we may cough it up. We may play “Blue Rondo A La Turk” identical to Howard had written it down.
GROSS: The 12 months your mom died, your father moved again to Oklahoma. Did he need – you did not. You stayed in California. Did your father need you to go along with him?
WEBB: He certain did (laughter). I keep in mind we have been standing in San Bernardino, California, within the car parking zone of the Palm Paradise – Paradise Palm Motel. And my dad had the automotive packed. And he had my sisters, my brothers was within the automotive. And I used to be standing there, and I stated, Dad, I am not going. (Laughter) I stated, there is no manner on the earth that I am going again to Oklahoma after coming all this fashion and being this near Hollywood. I simply need to attempt it. I’ve to attempt. He stated, son, he stated, this songwriting factor, he says, it is simply going to interrupt your coronary heart. And, P.S., he was proper about that greater than as soon as.
However he stated, however – and he dug down in his pocket, and he got here up with $40. And he stated, son, he says, that is all I’ve obtained. However he says, it is yours. And he gave me 40 bucks. And he obtained in his caravan, his little trailer truck factor, and off he went. And that was a lonely, very remoted second in time, standing there in a car parking zone with these neon lights blinking, these form of digital palm timber blinking on and off over my head going, now what have I accomplished? How am I going to deal with this?
GROSS: How lengthy was it between that second and getting your contract working for Motown publishing?
WEBB: (Laughter) Effectively, it was not for much longer than a 12 months. I borrowed $1,000 from some buddies of mine in Newport Seaside. I purchased a VW. It price me 600 bucks. And I began – I used to be going to junior school. And I used to be a music main and never doing very effectively as a result of my thoughts was on one thing else. And simply eking by on no matter cash I may make on gigs. And a few 12 months later, I had, you recognize, after exhausting each different alternative, I walked into the workplaces at Jobete. And Vicki (ph), this large lady who sat behind the reception desk, says, honey, you should be misplaced (laughter). And she or he had a superb snigger.
And I sat down and talked to her for some time. And she or he ended up taking certainly one of my tapes into the interior sanctum of the workplace at Jobete and taking part in it. I may hear it taking part in by the door. And after the track, the door opened and a younger man, Black man named Frank Wilson, caught his head out the door and cocked his head at me and stated, very, very softly, stated, would you are available right here, please? And that was actually the second. It was just like the allegorical second, if you’ll, when the door opened for me.
DAVIES: Jimmy Webb chatting with Terry Gross in 2004. He has a brand new album of unreleased songs titled “Yours For The Taking.” We’ll hear extra after a brief break. Later, Justin Chang critiques the brand new South Korean movie “Potential Love.” This is a observe from Webb’s new album. I am Dave Davies, and that is FRESH AIR.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “IF I EVER GET TO TALK TO YOU AGAIN”)
WEBB: (Singing) If I ever get to speak to you once more, I might moderately get to know you than to attempt to be your good friend. I will need to have appeared like my life was at an finish. However even that can mend if I ever get to speak to you once more. If I ever get to say what’s on my thoughts, I might moderately say it and actually imply it than to imply to be so form. I will need to have appeared like I might fallen far behind. However there is a fact I would like to search out if I ever get to say what’s on my thoughts. Did not need to be so filled with tears.
DAVIES: That is FRESH AIR. We’re listening to Terry’s 2004 interview with Corridor of Fame songwriter Jimmy Webb, whose Nineteen Sixties-era hits embody “By The Time I Get To Phoenix,” “Wichita Lineman,” “MacArthur Park” and “Did not We.” He turned 80 in August and has a brand new album of his unreleased songs, titled “Yours For The Taking.”
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED NPR CONTENT)
GROSS: You began writing hit songs at an attention-grabbing time within the historical past of radio. You already know, we’re speaking the latter a part of the Nineteen Sixties. So it is a time if you nonetheless have pop music on AM, and you’ve got the beginnings of, you recognize, quote, “progressive” rock on the FM. And…
WEBB: Underground, we used to name it.
GROSS: Underground. Yeah. So your songs have been falling a bit on each, weren’t they?
WEBB: I used to be very lucky that manner. If it hadn’t been for FM, quote, “underground,” unquote, radio, “MacArthur Park” would have by no means been damaged as a single as a result of High 40 was not going to play “MacArthur Park.” It was seven minutes and 20 seconds lengthy. Parentheses, and “Hey Jude” is seven minutes, 21 seconds lengthy.
GROSS: (Laughter).
WEBB: I am certain that is only a coincidence. However “MacArthur Park” would by no means have damaged on High 40. The truth is, I keep in mind Ron Jacobs calling me from KHJ in Los Angeles and saying, we’ll go on “MacArthur Park”, however it’s a must to edit it for us. And I simply stated, no, I am not going to do this. And so they stated, effectively, you notice what you are doing. I imply, you are throwing away a success report. And I stated, effectively, I am not going to do it. I am not going to edit it as a result of that is what it’s. And per week later, they have been on it.
And as quickly as stations like KHJ began taking part in “MacArthur Park” in its entirety, neglect it. It rolled throughout the nation. It was inescapable. And I felt horrible for folks like Herbert Solow at Newsweek journal, who lamented in, like, a complete web page of Newsweek that he had spent his whole summer season attempting to flee “MacArthur Park.”
GROSS: (Laughter).
WEBB: And that he had lastly sailed – he’d gone to Martha’s Winery and gotten on a sailboat and sailed manner out to a tiny little island and gotten on a seashore. And this lady got here strolling by with a transistor radio, and the mournful, saccharine strings of “MacArthur Park,” you recognize, leaked from her transistor radio into – and in order that he had really discovered it was actually inescapable. And…
GROSS: And it is your fault.
WEBB: (Laughter).
GROSS: Effectively, “MacArthur Park” and “Stairway To Heaven” are two of probably the most, like, baffling lyrics…
(LAUGHTER)
GROSS: …Within the historical past of pop songs. So let’s go over the lyric somewhat bit.
WEBB: Let’s do not.
GROSS: Oh, no, no, no, no. We’ve to. We’ve to. Effectively…
WEBB: Anyway, go forward. I do know. We’ve to do that. So…
GROSS: We’ve to do that. So, you recognize, with my apologies, right here – you recognize, right here we go.
WEBB: Yeah.
GROSS: MacArthur’s Park is melting at midnight. All of the candy inexperienced icing melting down. Somebody left the cake…
WEBB: Flowing down. Flowing down.
GROSS: Flowing down. Excuse me. Somebody left the cake out within the rain. I do not suppose that I could make it, but it surely took so lengthy to bake it, and I will by no means have the recipe once more.
WEBB: I do not suppose that I can take it ‘trigger it took so lengthy to bake it.
GROSS: Sorry.
WEBB: So, I imply…
GROSS: You already know, you rewrite it in your thoughts, and that is the best way you sing it to your self.
WEBB: Anyway, you may freely substitute. I do not actually suppose it issues that a lot.
GROSS: What have been you excited about if you wrote this? What’s it?
WEBB: Effectively, I used to be excited about the tip of a love affair, you recognize, in a really lurid, kind of melodramatic phrases as a result of I – this entire love affair had taken place in and in regards to the environs of MacArthur Park in Los Angeles, which, in these days, was this type of beautiful little park with geese and issues. Now it is like – I do not know what it’s. I feel it is even smaller. I feel they’ve chopped it down right into a smaller piece of actual property. However there have been boats there, and it handed for a romantic place when one was a young person. And so, actually, I make no protection of the lyrics of “MacArthur Park.” They have been written in a hallucinogenic period when, really, such lyrics are fairly frequent, and most of them do not must be defended. It was an period of that form of factor. And…
GROSS: See, you are utilizing the psychedelic protection (laughter).
WEBB: Effectively, it isn’t even a protection. I feel it is – once more, I stand by “MacArthur Park.” I feel that it is utterly distinctive and is a really viable try and coalesce rock and classical music and kind of format one thing for the radio that has actions that has a form of grandiose, symphonic feeling to it. I am actually not – I did the association myself. I received a Grammy for it. So, I imply, I do not suppose there’s something to defend, actually. It was simply a part of a number of form of careless lyric writing.
DAVIES: Songwriter Jimmy Webb talking with Terry Gross. We’ll hear extra after a break. That is FRESH AIR.
(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)
DAVIES: That is FRESH AIR. Let’s get again to Terry’s 2004 interview with songwriter Jimmy Webb. He has a brand new album of unreleased songs. His best-known songs embody “By The Time I Get To Phoenix,” “Wichita Lineman” and “MacArthur Park,” which he and Terry have been speaking about earlier than the break.
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GROSS: It is attention-grabbing. You already know, it does have this type of, like, trippy lyric in regards to the cake melting within the rain and every little thing. And, you recognize, Richard Harris had the hit, and he – you recognize, I do not suppose he struck anyone as being significantly of, you recognize, like, the groovy psychedelic period. So it was form of odd matching in a manner.
WEBB: Effectively, he thought he was (laughter).
GROSS: Effectively, judging from – I am trying on the album jacket of the CD reissue…
WEBB: Yeah.
GROSS: …And I do not know if this is similar factor that was on the album. There is a image of him in a park. I do not know if it is the park.
WEBB: Yeah.
GROSS: Sporting, like, a black gown.
WEBB: Wanting very sullen.
GROSS: Sure. Seen on this type of throne…
WEBB: Yeah.
GROSS: …With a pink headband tied round his brow.
WEBB: Yeah. He noticed himself that manner, too. He at all times noticed himself on a throne. The truth is, he ended his profession taking part in kings. He performed Caesar after which, in “Harry Potter,” he kind of – he was taking part in kind of the king of the magicians. However he was a king. And I simply need to inform you that…
GROSS: Yeah.
WEBB: …Earlier than we are saying an excessive amount of about him, that I simply attended a memorial service for him in London, and Patty Maloney and Liam Neeson and all of the Celtic crowd got here out to say goodbye to Richard, who was one of many nice, colourful figures of our age. And I – to me, although – I feel I may say with out concern of contradiction that this much-maligned track, “MacArthur Park,” has been recorded in all probability 2 or 300 occasions by all people from the 4 Tops to Frank Sinatra to – however my favourite model of it’s nonetheless Richard Harris’.
GROSS: Did he need to ask you something in regards to the track earlier than he really recorded it?
WEBB: No. You already know what he stated? He stated, I will have that.
GROSS: (Laughter) He is speaking about striped pants within the lyrics, and he says, stripe-ed (ph). Did you need him to say stripe-ed?
WEBB: Really, I can provide you one thing a lot better than that. He – the identify of the track is “MacArthur Park.” All through, he sung MacArthur’s Park. (Impersonating Richard Harris) MacArthur’s Park is melting. He sung MacArthur’s Park, and he could not be dissuaded from that. And, you recognize – and I’ve had artists change my lyrics all through my entire profession in that manner, and typically they get one thing of their head, and you’ll’t get it out.
GROSS: Effectively, let’s hear Richard Harris’ model of your track “MacArthur Park.”
WEBB: Oh, let’s do.
GROSS: (Laughter).
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MACARTHUR PARK”)
HARRIS: (Singing) Spring was by no means ready for us, woman. It ran one step forward as we adopted within the dance. Between the parted pages and have been pressed in love’s scorching, fevered iron like a striped pair of pants. MacArthur’s Park is melting at midnight. All of the candy, inexperienced icing flowing down. Somebody left the cake out within the rain. I do not suppose that I can take it ‘trigger it took so lengthy to bake it, and I will by no means have that recipe once more. Oh, no. I recall the yellow cotton gown foaming like a wave…
GROSS: That is Richard Harris’ hit recording of “MacArthur Park,” a track written by my visitor Jimmy Webb. What did you suppose when Donna Summer time had her hit disco model of “MacArthur Park”?
WEBB: Effectively, initially, I am not – I used to be not a terrific disco fan, however I’m a terrific Donna Summer time fan, and I feel she’s obtained these nice pipes. And she or he actually sang this track. It was additionally simply from a purely monetary perspective, it was – and that is in all probability a kind of asterisk quotes on the backside of my profession someplace. It was the one No. 1 report I’ve ever had in the USA.
GROSS: Actually?
WEBB: And I keep in mind – sure, as a result of every little thing else, you recognize, by my heyday, I used to be battling the Beatles. And the Beatles very often held down the highest three spots, typically the highest 5. “MacArthur Park” was saved out of No. 1 by a Beatles report. I do not keep in mind which one it was, however they simply sat there. They simply sat there for 16 weeks and saved us out of No. 1. So “MacArthur Park” was by no means greater than two, with a bullet, with Richard Harris.
And a number of these data have been caught both within the prime 10 or within the excessive – the low teenagers or the excessive teenagers as a result of the Beatles held down so many slots. And right here it was lastly, my first No. 1 report. And I keep in mind the day it went No. 1, and I keep in mind what I did. I employed a limousine and I drove round Hollywood all day lengthy, saying to myself, I’ve the No. 1 report. I am No. 1. I am No. 1. I might roll down the window, and the man subsequent to me, I might say, I am No. 1.
(LAUGHTER)
WEBB: And so they’re going, who’s that man? Is he nuts? I am No. 1. Hey.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “MACARTHUR PARK (LIVE)”)
DONNA SUMMER: (Singing) MacArthur’s Park is melting at midnight. All of the candy, inexperienced icing flowing down. Somebody left the cake out within the rain. I do not suppose that I can take it ‘trigger it took so lengthy to bake it, and I will by no means have that recipe once more. Oh, no. I recall the yellow cotton gown…
GROSS: Do you see your self as straddling totally different eras, you recognize, of getting, like, one foot within the rock period and one foot within the in style track period?
WEBB: Oh, I feel it is inescapable. I feel it is completely true. And, in some ways, I have been lucky due to that as a result of I’ve had a breadth of expertise and the artists that I used to be conversant with. The truth that Johnny Mercer would name me up and ask me if I used to be excited about writing a track with him is sort of unimaginable if you place it alongside, as an illustration, the truth that Lowell George, who based Little Feat, recorded certainly one of my songs on his solo album. And that I performed piano on “Leap Into The Hearth” on “Nilsson Schmilsson” and that I – my first track was recorded by The Supremes. It was a Christmas track known as “My Christmas Tree.”
And so I have been nearly terribly lucky to have been capable of stay in these two worlds and to intimately embrace these two worlds, to have been on the recording session in London when the Beatles recorded “Honey Pie.” To have been sitting there watching them play. So it’s – it is actually – if selection is the spice of life, then, you recognize, my life has been effectively seasoned.
GROSS: Jimmy Webb, I need to thanks a lot for speaking with us.
WEBB: It has been a longtime dream of mine to speak to you, Terry.
DAVIES: Jimmy Webb spoke to Terry Gross in 2004. He turned 80 in August. He has a brand new album of unreleased songs titled “Yours For The Taking.” This weekend, he seems on the Grand Ole Opry, and on October 30, he has a PBS “Nice Performances” particular. This is a observe from the album “Glen Campbell And Jimmy Webb: In Session.” It begins with Webb speaking about his track, “Galveston.”
WEBB: When Glenn first recorded “Galveston,” he form of did it in a medium march. It was like – it was somewhat quicker than I had meant for it to be. However then I wasn’t complaining, both, as a result of it was prime 10. Because the years have passed by, the tempo appears to have settled again, you recognize, to the place it was initially meant to be. And it is nearly as if songs need – songs know the place they need to be sung. They know the way quick they need to be sung. And should you attempt to sing them any quicker, they creak they usually protest they usually complain till lastly, you get them again to the place they need to have been possibly at first.
(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, “GALVESTON”)
CAMPBELL: (Singing) Galveston, oh Galveston. I nonetheless hear your sea winds blowing, and I nonetheless see her darkish eyes glowing. She was 21 once I left Galveston. Galveston, oh Galveston. I nonetheless hear your sea waves crashing whereas I watch the cannons flashing. I clear my gun and dream of Galveston. I nonetheless see her standing by the water, standing there looking to sea. And is she ready there for me on the seashore the place we used to run?
DAVIES: Developing, Justin Chang critiques the brand new movie “Potential Love,” South Korea’s official Oscar submission for greatest worldwide function. That is FRESH AIR.
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